Interesting article on the carbon foot print of EVs vs gas vehicles over their respective life cycles

I appreciate your train of thought, but to ME grams seem small, & 10 miles is way less than the average daily drive, so...:

By my calculations, refining gas with my current local electric supply, & burning it in an average US car, driven the US average mileage, creates 1,073,447 GALLONS of CO2 per year at sea level (expanding at higher altitude). That's for every single average driver, every single year they drive.

@neomaxcom says there are 275 million of them, so that would be over 275,000,000,000,000 gallons of CO2 every single year. That's JUST from CARS.

& it stays in the atmosphere, overheating the earth every hour of every day & night* until your grandchildren are dead (over 100 years), if they're lucky enough to still have a livable planet by that time.

* keeping the heat in like a blanket

@kiteboarder Any way you cut it, it blows because we're all complicit in this. That was part of the plan by the polluters because they think that since we're all guilty, they can get off scot free. It is their dragging me into their conspiracy - I drove ICE cars for decades and I was complicit whether it was in that slant six Dodge Dart or my dad's three year old Olds 98 LS I got for college graduation. Probably the worst was the E-150 hi-top van we used to run over to the coast at 90 mph - just keeping up with traffic.

@Otrain54 No, I am up in San Rafael, orth of San Francisco in San Francisco Bay.

@Otrain54 A few years ago maybe, but my knees suddenly gave out while dog-walking, & then my shoulder gave out, also while dog-walking. Life lesson: Kiteboarding is safer than dog-walking? Plenty of kiteboarders in San Francisco Bay though.

@n.bruce.nelson I've heard others claim that while producing the gallon of gas, the 6kWh also creates other usable fluids such as ship fuel or diesel or jet fuel. HOWEVER Aptera goes SIXTY miles on that, which is well over double the national average MPG.

@n.bruce.nelson That's the amount used in refining the crude to gasoline. Let's not forget the bunker fuel burned by the transport ships, the electricity used to pressurize the pipelines and the diesel fuel used to power the tanker trunks delivering the gasoline to the point-of-sale.

@Kerbe #12705 Right. Or the fuel used by the aircraft to transport workers half way around the world to production sites and pack every 3 weeks.

@n.bruce.nelson & @Kerbe #12705 Oh, you mean like gasoline's "cradle to grave" emissions. I didn't include them for the coal in my example, so it wouldn't have been fair to include them for the gas.

For that you have to add BOTH of your lists AND all the emissions from:

- Searching for the oil underground or underwater,

- Building a road there (for underground),

- Manufacturing, transporting, constructing & running the drilling & extraction equipment,

- The emissions of all of the above for the fuel used for all of the above,

- The electricity to pump the gas into a car's tank, to power the station's lights 24/7, & HVAC for any human attendant.

Likely even one or more we're still missing, like damaging carbon-sinks with those roads & offshore leakage. OH! To be fair you'd have to include every oil spill, averaged out per gallon that doesn't get spilled....

It sure seems to make the environmental damage of manufacturing & erecting solar & wind farms pale by comparison.