A plague which can infest a project or design is the desires of the many to expand the design to take all design features from the onset. This will usually cause a grossly expanding budget (if you have the money), a timeline which will expand into the distant future, or ultimately the untimely shutdown of the project. Switching focus from the original goals can be a death spiral. Design considerations are important at this stage because you need to see the forest for the trees. Make your suggestions, wants, desires, concerns, and wishes known, because small considerations today may reap huge rewards in design implementations of the future. Don’t expect every input to be implemented now or in the future. If it does not line up with their vision it may only stand a snowball’s chance...
A lot of work has gotten the Aptera crew to where they are now: a plan, a next generation prototype, two in the works preproduction vehicles, and a good view of the road ahead. Their success will be measured by the implementation of their vision (what you can reserve now) in a (2 years by their estimation) timeline that delivers the Aptera vehicles in a sustaining operation.
The Aptera team’s vision sets a high bar. High enough that I could do without a feature (only cruise/speed control) or two (a limited audio system}. However selling points to me are the 100w/mile, 2.5x range of other EVs, two seats, comfort in 20F to 100F climate, all weather, 110V plugin, Never Charge Solar, cameras, nav, and do it in a safe sustainable vehicle that I can register and insure. It would be nice to have SafetyPilot and Enhanced Audio, but I have and can live without the third cup holder, third seat, 1000 mile range, adjustable suspension, more power, wider tires, etc. Now is not the time to put my design expectations into go/no go expectations. After the Aptera is on the road in quantity you don’t want to find your customers are the quality control. I’ve been there with a vehicle or two and it is not fun.
I feel for the Europeans and their width constraints which may be a showstopper for European sales. Roads in Europe are generally narrower than here in the states, but it is a wide vehicle. Regulations are tough, just try to get a homebuilt car past the MOT in the UK. How much are you willing to give up on efficiency to have a narrower Aptera? I have made two suggestions I hope the design team may consider (less need for big brakes up front with regenerative braking and a sway bar capability (added stability and potential narrower width) to address the body roll, both are based on personal experience).
IMHO the bar has been set high. Let the design team produce. I think Chris and Steve are astute enough to realize that an informed market will be the final word on their success. Let the design suggestions/concerns flow but subdue some of the “outside the box” expectations and expanded features.
tesla model 3 is 82.2 inches wide with mirrors... F150 is 95.7" with mirrors.
A dually F350 is 96" wide. 105" with mirrors...
If you want a city car get a mini or fiat. This is for general commuting use and long range trips if you want to travel efficiently.
https://www.aptera.us/forum/general-discussions/is-anyone-else-concerned-about-the-width-at-the-wheel-spats
https://www.aptera.us/forum/general-discussions/the-big-problem-with-the-width
https://www.aptera.us/forum/general-discussions/width-for-eu-gives-900-mi-range
https://www.aptera.us/forum/aptera-design-discussion/aptera-width-requires-clearance-lights
https://www.aptera.us/forum/aptera-design-discussion/doors-open-wider-than-the-width-of-the-car
88" is really wide, for comparison the Model 3 is 73" wide, the F150 is 80". How much are they gaining in efficiency by using three wheels instead of four? They are already giving up the Federal Tax credit by using three wheels, at 88" this car is going to be hard to park even in the US. US parking spaces are laid out to accommodate pickup trucks, making parking sedans easy, but this is 8 inches wider than an F150 which means that it will be a tight squeeze even in the US.
Aptera seriously needs a yoke. It looks like a plane and need the drive to feel like flying one.
Excluding the mirrors of the H1, the Aptera (at 88”) is 1.5” wider than a 1992 H1 Hummer (86.5”)*. I would never consider the Aptera to be a high risk to “tip over” and expect to limit at or above 0.8g’s on the skid pad. Vector control of the motors would most likely raise that performance. *Ref. Hummer at dimensions.com
The current Aptera is no wider than a common compact car. Vehicle dynamics, driven by physics, apply across the globe. A narrower "city version" would be problematic due to an increased need to turn frequently. Not tipping over will always be a higher priority for me than drag numbers, which BTW are less critical due to slower speeds in the city.
A good contribution that gets my full appreciation!
To give my very personal answer to your question about the disadvantages I would accept if the width was reduced :
If Steve would call today and say: "Hey Max, thanks to the reduction in dimensions, our specialist has received European approval, but the drag coefficient has doubled. " I would answer," Congratulations Steve, where should I send the money and where should I pick up the vehicle. "
(Great Britain has been part of the year no more to the EU.)
So the "european problem" is settled for me. I noticed, however, that there are many US interested parties who also see major problems in the width of the vehicle. For this reason, the question arises, whether it would not be more economical to offer all interested parties an aptera that is narrower in order to cover a larger field, even if the drag coefficient is worse. A conversion kit for the "city version" would also be a solution.
As already indicated several times, it is possible that we are grappling with a problem every day that has long been solved.
Sorry für my Google-english.
Not everyone is just like you. Many are more concerned about price & availability. More stuff is more to break & more to fix. K.I.S.S. it and bring to market ASAP!
Every new car I've purchased has been loaded with every available option. It's about resale, from both depreciation and salability. People will pay for conveniences, especially after the initial depreciation period.
Steve Fambro has spoken quite eloquently about this, and I don't think they are going to be distracted by this particular pitfall, but I think you are right about the potential dangers.