Really the video is overblown in general. There are advantages to what ford did in terms of the thermal system, even if it looks more complicated. That Tesla octo-pump he was talking about is an expensive hard to get part that has taken folks who have had it fail months to get it. It is also an expensive part to replace if the car is out of warranty. Those hoses and connectors are more complicated when looking at them, but it is easier to repair and easier to acquire parts. You are replacing an easily replaceable part. Somebody compared the Mustang Mach E more to a PC, and the Tesla to an apple in terms of the approach, and the comparison is apt in more ways than people realize. If your video card or HDD fails in a PC you can easily replace it with an OTS part. If your mac right now has an HDD failure, you need a new mac. Those hoses, same thing. If one of those leaks, pretty easy to fix. That octopump has issues, you are kind of screwed. Looking at the ford it was complex on its face, but once you looked at it more it made sense. If a part there fails, it may be more repairable. The Tesla may look simple, but its often comes at a cost of replacing a custom part. Where if that system fails, you need to replace it in entirety. There are advantages and disadvantages to any approach to these systems. Now will ford combine some of these systems on a single board, and reduce complexity over time, probably. Again the other videos are instructive on this in terms of how much ford gets right, especially on the build aspects of the car beyond the electronics and thermal system. Also lets be clear, you can't put a cars running systems on a tablet or usb stick. Especially these days with drive assist functionalities that both Ford and Tesla have. I should note, I have driven the Mach-E, and it is absolutely wonderful experience. I preferred it to the Model Y from a driver's perspective.
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Yeah, this is one area where I don't agree with Sandy at all. Sandy was criticizing the usage of OTS parts because of the numbers of connectors, types (parts count basically), and leakage of sealing clips, etcetera. The difference is: those are all 'soft fail' modes that are easy to spot and remedy, versus some uber-expensive Octo-thingy that costs $4000 and 7 week lead time to obtain, and which can't be fixed. Any failure is a HARD, total failure.
OTS has many benefits. One reason OEM's don't like them is they can't make as much money on parts sales. But it's *generally* good for the consumer.
I like the Mach E for its looks and decent performance. But since I saw Sandy's videos. OMG what are all those parts for. Why do they build cars so complicated these days.
Did you see the video where they compare electrical systems. That's the real nightmare. Ethernet, ODB, relays and many more.
Especially nowadays with chip shortages. Why not operate everything on USB and potentially have the car run by a piece of software on any android tablet. BYOD.
Legacy car company, difficult for them to give up the "Old ways" If you look at Sandy's review of the GM Bolt you will see the same issues with cables.
Two examples of why "Keep it simple" ground up design by Aptera is so GOOD, bot for reliability (Fewer defects), Maintainability (Easy to fix) and Availability (More available time for you to drive rather that having in the "Shop" for you to repair.
Another obvious advantage, production simpler, cost less, and faster.
Aptera Engineering and Engineers should be applauded!
Really the video is overblown in general. There are advantages to what ford did in terms of the thermal system, even if it looks more complicated. That Tesla octo-pump he was talking about is an expensive hard to get part that has taken folks who have had it fail months to get it. It is also an expensive part to replace if the car is out of warranty. Those hoses and connectors are more complicated when looking at them, but it is easier to repair and easier to acquire parts. You are replacing an easily replaceable part. Somebody compared the Mustang Mach E more to a PC, and the Tesla to an apple in terms of the approach, and the comparison is apt in more ways than people realize. If your video card or HDD fails in a PC you can easily replace it with an OTS part. If your mac right now has an HDD failure, you need a new mac. Those hoses, same thing. If one of those leaks, pretty easy to fix. That octopump has issues, you are kind of screwed. Looking at the ford it was complex on its face, but once you looked at it more it made sense. If a part there fails, it may be more repairable. The Tesla may look simple, but its often comes at a cost of replacing a custom part. Where if that system fails, you need to replace it in entirety. There are advantages and disadvantages to any approach to these systems. Now will ford combine some of these systems on a single board, and reduce complexity over time, probably. Again the other videos are instructive on this in terms of how much ford gets right, especially on the build aspects of the car beyond the electronics and thermal system. Also lets be clear, you can't put a cars running systems on a tablet or usb stick. Especially these days with drive assist functionalities that both Ford and Tesla have. I should note, I have driven the Mach-E, and it is absolutely wonderful experience. I preferred it to the Model Y from a driver's perspective.
I like the Mach E for its looks and decent performance. But since I saw Sandy's videos. OMG what are all those parts for. Why do they build cars so complicated these days.
Did you see the video where they compare electrical systems. That's the real nightmare. Ethernet, ODB, relays and many more.
Especially nowadays with chip shortages. Why not operate everything on USB and potentially have the car run by a piece of software on any android tablet. BYOD.
Legacy car company, difficult for them to give up the "Old ways" If you look at Sandy's review of the GM Bolt you will see the same issues with cables.
Two examples of why "Keep it simple" ground up design by Aptera is so GOOD, bot for reliability (Fewer defects), Maintainability (Easy to fix) and Availability (More available time for you to drive rather that having in the "Shop" for you to repair.
Another obvious advantage, production simpler, cost less, and faster.
Aptera Engineering and Engineers should be applauded!